Fοr much οf tһе 18th аחԁ 19th centuries, European nations wеrе constantly аt war wіtһ one another fοr one reason οr another. Aftеr tһе second world war, tһеrе hasn’t bееח another military conflict between western, predominantly colorless nations ѕіחсе. At Ɩеаѕt חοt wіtһ casualties–חο conflicts over territory anymore, חο ground battles, naval sea fights, etc. Of course, tһеrе wаѕ tһе wаѕ tһе сοƖԁ war, bυt חο fighting really took рƖасе, obviously. I ԁο believe tһаt WW2 wаѕ tһе war tһаt fіחіѕһеԁ аƖƖ wars, іח tһе western world tһаt іѕ.
AƖƖ tһе wars wе һаνе seen between tһеח аחԁ now һаνе bееח frοm third world countries. Dο уου rесkοח now іѕ tһе time wһеח tһе powers οf tһе west ѕһουƖԁ еחԁ tһе barbaric, third world regimes? Dο уου believe tһе savage violence frοm tһеѕе rising, backwards countries іѕ a threat tο western civilization now tһаt Europe һаѕ bееח аt peace fοr ѕο long?
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Bobby K
August 19, 2010 at 4:08 am
Well I reckon you are going back to colonialism with terms like barbaric, third world, savage violence, backwards country. This is precisely why we should stay away from these conflicts because we don’t see them as people and we are there to “help” them. We don’t even know them. How are we going to help them?
afromatic75
August 19, 2010 at 4:54 am
Look at how many mistakes all the “developed nations” have made in the past centuries. Instead of having these “rising nations” go owing to similar trials within their own government, lend them a hand by means of offering them knowledge of our past.. EDUCATION.
I don’t believe that the violence from those countries are a treat to any western civilizations’ homeland. Acts of mass genocide (wiping off the third world countries, from the face of the earth), would not be very ethical. ..nor would it be in agreement to all the People of “developed nations”.
Education would most certainly help ‘backward’ countries to progress forward. Educating “rising countries” in in succession their nation more efficiently, would help out both sides of the ball. Aiding education efforts in all the necessities for the “rising” (or third world nation).. would help clear out the thought that such countries were ever savages. It would also help them join up in the world trading market, and then soon become a “developed” or “lesser developed” nation.
“Those who don’t remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana
Razorchilde
August 19, 2010 at 5:09 am
I reckon it went a LONG way to dirving home the realities of the wretched state every nation can get into should war be allowable to continue on that enormous scale. I reckon it also made Western countries hard-code an absolute abbhorrence for having any type of conflict on their own soil. Having your only home transofrmed into the 9th ring of hell is going to make a terrific impression on your entire culture. The things that governments remember from prvious wars helps dictate their responses and scope of actions in future wars. I reckon all the countries threw themselves into those wars because they thought they could. When the truths of the myriad types of hurt were finally understood, the full picture of how terrible and far-reaching all the symptoms were was made clear (i.e. not just the evident things like dead counts, but also impacts on cultures, economies, even private repercussions like societal re-integration and hurt to the minds of those present.)
I find it fascinating that you use the term “backwards” to describe rising countries. I hope you know and use that word in the context that that is purely a matter of perspective. Some countries would say that a country that can’t manage its own debt, can’t integrate its cultures after more than two centuries, can’t even threaten their citizens with death enough to stop their hideous murder rate is savage and backwards.
I reckon that we on this continent don’t have a fucking clue about how life works in other places. Most of the people who make sweeping, absolute statements about other places, people and the way things are done have never lived anywhere else. I reckon that claiming to know a culture that has had the same people in the same place for millennia, when our countries have people from all over barely co-existing for a few centuries is pure folly and arrogance.
I know what universal morality is. Kicking a puppy here is the same as kicking a puppy anywhere else. But wars generally start when one group feels that they cannot abide living with another group who conflicts so greatly. You’re right. Their countries aren’t like ours. We fight for comfort and vanity. Maybe they fight for other things, things taken so for contracted that we don’t even reckon about them, are taught not to because we’re told we have some ridiculous god-given right to own 4 cars and 5 TVs as long as we can pay for them.
I won’t pretend I can empathize with people from other nations. I don’t reckon war is an acceptable avenue to change. But, as your forefathers showed us, measures of extreme carnality and violence are sometimes what it takes to win the things we need to carry on. Who are we to row across an ocean and tell some people we don’t know (or make an effort to), “Hey, stop that.” We can try to facilitate peace and problem-solving. But butting into international conflicts is a slippery slope that goes two different ways; where does it end? If we can just roll into other nations and take their sovreignty from them, then why would anyone else not be allowable to do the same thing? If we end a place like Afghanistan because they’re fighting and we don’t like it, then Isreal can nuke Palestine, African nations can end each other, anyone can assault and steal some other nation’s right to rule themselves. Why not? The US isn’t god, and it isn’t nearly as smart or wise. Why can’t Canada annex places in the US that have horrific crime and murder rates? It would make them better places, but I reckon the US would self-nuke before they’d let anyone on earth tell them how to run *their* nation.
Look at it this way; there are wars in other countries whose casualty rates are lower than the murder rate for Miami. Who’s more ill-treat? Them for fighting or Miami for taking the luxury of peace and twisting it with greed and barbarity?
What would be the best way to end warring world-wide? Reckon about it. It may involve not selling US weapons and weapons to other nations. It would certainly involve a paradigm shift across the globe. But what would do that? Europe is smart enough not to get too caught up. America is pretty arrogant about what it thinks it can accomplish, but America has never been utterly decimated from rival attacks for being on end like European countries have. So what would change everyone’s view of war? Humans are so stupid, what would teach them, scare them so terrible they would never even pick up a slingshot again? Would we have to change? Them? Everyone?
spider
August 19, 2010 at 5:57 am
I don’t quite reckon it was. I spent 10 being in Europe. One reason is none of them were going to be able to start at each other because we maintained a presence there and are still there. Bosnia is the other reason. Bosnia was a war, to me they count as European and esentially western. Germany was itching to go in and “Stabalize the region”. The 1st and 2nd world wars started in this region. In 1990 it split back along racial lines just as it had many times before. Most of Europe still have issues with Jews and Gypses. They still get attacked just not as in earlier times. In America we are open about our issues with Racism mostly to try to improve, a lot of places in Europe in fact still have huge issues with Racism, they don’t address it like we do, they ignore it until like what happen a few being ago where half of Europe was on fire because of it and even then deny it. Turks caught a lot of flack even thoughs that were 5th and 6th generation German and French. I reckon the riots over there were a wake up call for many countries over there in the sense that they realized the third world immigrants mostly from the middle east can go in an change the population weigh, and this is why you see political changes towards more conservative candidates, like in France.
Yes we do need to end off the Barbarian states that have been disrupting the world. The Middle East is one Theatre that must be addressed, it isn’t going to fix itself, the other Theatre is Europe. They are being overun by people from the Middle East. Which if not checked will destablize most European Nations and eventually grab control. Oil makes this all that much tougher, our media has us believing, that fighting in the middle east is about us stealing their oil, France did that along with a few other European Nations for nealry 60 being till we stopped them. More than anything we can’t go away from dependency on Oil until we stabalize the middle east. Outside of luxury items Oil is the middle easts only real source of income. If we don’t stablize them before we go away from oil they will be 10 fold more desperate, fanatical and unpredictible than they are now.
The middle East and Africa have such an extreme disproportion of wealth and poverty, there just simpley is no middle class. You have guys like Osama Bin Laden who has more money than most of these backward countries, and based on his newest tape release he’s voting Democrat in the upcoming presedential elections which would be in his mind and the minds of the middle eastern fanatics a victory for them. To me 9/11 signaled the beginning of ww3. I am very nervous about the implecations of that. Both my Grandfather fought in ww2, the thing I remember him saying to my Mom while she was arguing with him about war was, “do you want to fight them there or at home, I’d rather it was an away game”
he was right. This presidential election has me thought what we are choosing at the poles is really, is this a home game or an away game. Dems win it will become a home game.
But I am not too nervous, I live in Texas, there are a lot of weak states in America, we are the only State that use to be it’s own country and we still reckon and function like we are. Heck you see the Texas Flag on top and the American flag small second in some places. Outside of our national guard we have a second totaly state military and air break down. No one can beat us inside our state, it is our country. If 9/11 had happen in Houston, it would by now be over by now, he he.